Dinnertime Disturbances.

Associated Press:

A suicide attacker blew himself up at an army canteen in northwestern Pakistan on Thursday, killing at least 10 soldiers and injuring 11 others, officials said. The attack happened at the canteen in Ghazi Tarbela, an army facility about 100 kilometers south of Islamabad.

Geo TV reports that the attack took place as the officers assembled to have dinner. 15 soldiers have been confirmed dead with many others injured.

What is this latest attack at the SSG facility trying to tell us? Is it a sign that there are many who cannot forget the role of the SSG commandos in the Lal Masjid operation? Is it a warning message to Musharraf on the eve of his decision to become a US ally in the War on Terror that many Pakistanis were, and are still against that decision and its repercussions on the country and its citizens? Or is it merely a ploy to create an air of instability in the country, and pave the way for a delay in the general elections? Or are we trying to tell the US that the Pakistani Army is bearing the brunt of being a US ally?

The questions and conspiracy theories are a dime a dozen. But many thousands of Pakistanis have died, and many more continue to die. Enough is enough. Can’t we just tell Uncle Sam to bugger off?

  1. jonolan said:

    No, actually you can’t. Cooperating with us will force us to at least consider your requests. Telling us to “bugger off” just indicates that you support both Al Qaeda and the Taliban. At that point our military will disregard your boders and do what we need to do in order to end our conflict w/ the Taliban and the other terrorists.

    Of course at that point we won’t care that much about what happens to the average Pakistani on the street. Oh well, running and hiding from insugents is good exercise.

    The above was sarcastic, but contains a core of truth. Cooperation with the US is preferable to the alternatives. Do not trust us not to screw you if you make things more difficult for us; our media won’t even bother showing the outcome unless they can spin it too affect our own politics.

  2. Huma Imtiaz said:

    Jonolan – you’re right, of course we have no alternative – we’ve lived in a time with US sanctions imposed on us, and it wasn’t pretty. And if you look at it from a bystander’s point of view, thousands of soldiers dying is still better than a country being annihilated courtesy a nuclear bomb. No one wants Pakistan to become the next Iraq or Afghanistan. The saddest part of all of this is that there is no way we can get out of this situation that we’ve embroiled ourselves in.

  3. jonolan said:

    Sadly true. I have friends in Lahore who are terrified at may happen if the US decides to expand operations into Waristan (sp?).

  4. supersizeme said:

    I was just itching to ask any american this question, and that being, Why Pakistan? Just some random country, which is still in its infancy stages, Pakistanis hardly have an identity yet.. so .. why?

    There’s still a huge proportion of people out there who believe that 9/11 was staged, and not by Muslims either.

    I wonder.. Is it the money? talent? natural resources? or are some people just jealous of our good looks?

  5. jonolan said:

    None of the above, though some of the Pakistani women are quite beautiful. Pakistan is just in the wrong place at the wrong time. First we needed Pakistan as a staging area for our troops so that we could remove the Taliban. The the people (Taliban & Al Qaeda) we’re actually after pulled out of most of Afghanistan into the Waristan region of Pakistan.

    You’re all just collaterals 😦

  6. supersizeme said:

    Damn, stupid geography! 😦

    & stupid 3 generations of the Bush families legacy of warmongering.

  7. jonolan said:

    Well, the US got attackd by people staging in and supported by the Taliban. We went after them and the remnants retreated into Pakistan. I guess you did get screwwed by geography, but I can’t see this as an example of Bush warmongering. Look others places for those examples; they’re not freaking hard to find 😦

  8. spaceman123 said:

    The problem is we were attacked. Our citizens were killed.

    We are and should right the wrong. The Taliban saw fit to come to Pakistan and evidently some people in Pakistan continue to support them.

    Tis your choice so be it.

    I think that unusual restraint has been shown by the USA.

    Were I there and knew the Taliban was just across the border I would not only OK it, but lead the “incursion” to wipe them out.

    I’m tolerant of religion up to the point where they try to impose their view on me. That is what these fundamentalist want to do and I’m definitely against it and them.

  9. Asfandyar said:

    I’m actually stunned.

    If we don’t take an active role in eliminating the taliban and other war-hungry fundamentalists, all we’re going to end up doing is feeding their insanity. The MMA wanted to rename the NWFP to Afghania. Where do you think that came from?

    The MMA is becoming increasingly talibanized and do you want a political party with the wielding power that the MMA possesses to attain a stronghold in this country? Forget some bastardized form of Shariah Law, what we’ll get is a bunch of western-hating Mullahs with power of them little things called nukes.

    Despite the unavoidable pressures that were on us to work with the US on the War on Terror, it was a moral imperative for us as muslims to root out these elements. It still is, because we need to educate them and modernize Madrassas in terms of curriculum.

    As Muslims we tend to have a myopic view that another Muslim can do no harm (unless they’re in a military uniform, apparently), and as a result we tend to let go of a lot of ridiculous things some people do in the name of Islam.

    Not to mention the very substantial far-reaching effects that the acts of these people can create. It affects us all, really. Each and everyone of us, so to be apathetic is really NOT an option.

  10. supersizeme said:

    Excuse me spaceman? Isnt that your psychosis talking?
    You would wipe out innocent citizens in Afghanistan?
    Who the hell said they were involved in 9/11? Where is the proof?

    Granted what happened in 2001 was a calamity beyond words, but lets start counting how many innocent civilians the US has killed so far, shall we?

    I dont understand a nation who was riled by some black sportstar killing a dog, and yet they wont hesitate to do far worse to millions of human beings.

  11. Huma Imtiaz said:

    For a moment. lets forget about religion, 9/11, the fact that Bush lies through his teeth, et al.

    Does everyone here really think that war is the solution?

    The Pakistani establishment funded what were then known as the mujahideen with the help of the US administration, and now both parties are suffering the consequences.

    And the earlier form of the MMA itself is an alliance that was created by the ISI as an opposing force to the PPP in the 80s.

    In my humble opinion, it boils down to this: the Pakistani government is now facing the consequences of the mistakes made in the 80s. And mark my words, 20 years from now, we WILL be facing the consequences of the mistakes made in this decade.

  12. supersizeme said:

    Its just like every other wrong decision made in history, when all is dead and buried, and its too late to clean things up, the truth is then written in history books as a lesson.

    Ok, so theres a load of theories being spun out there, and most of them are war-igniting. Its easy to say, ”No” to war, but hard to really stop the vicious cycle of things.
    If we were to say, ok, hold on a second, lets re-look at this whole episode from its grass roots, we all know the fault STILL lies with the U.S Govt and its previous actions.
    However no-one will blame them till say, 5 decades later, in history books.

    I also need to point out that the US, needs to desperately restrategise their priorities, they are at more risk of being wiped out by some hurricane, (and not some gaunt, misinformed, teenager in the 3rd world), due to climate change and their large contributions to it.

  13. asad said:

    i agree with that we had no choice but to side with the u.s. in 2001, and we have no option but to continue siding with it now. essentially, the pakistani government had to decide between economic sanctions and military invasion or economic aid and terrorist reaction. the government obviously felt it would take the aid and try to hold off the terrorists. and this has failed, of course.

    this ‘war on terror’ is an impossible one to win, with no end in sight. an article i read a while ago makes the point that ‘terror’ is an emotion, not anything tangible, but ‘terror’ has been ideologically presented as an ‘evil’ that must be removed from the face of the planet. this ideology of ‘terror’ allows its proponents an extraordinary amount of power and authority.

    and, yes, our rulers have made many mistakes over the past two decades. in retrospect, the most dangerous one was becoming a client of the u.s. the ways in which pakistan, and other countries around the world, have willingly entered into unequal relations with the u.s. since 1945 have allowed it to increase its influence to the hegemony of today. and so, any u.s. administration can get its way through threat of force or sanctions.

    it’s difficult to see a way out of this scenario. we can hope the folly of the u.s. government will diminish its control over us. we can hope that there is a massive overhaul of the u.s.’s internal politics and governance so that public opinion – rather than the administration/military/media – decides policy. we can try to make a break with the u.s. ourselves, but that will be very messy i think.

    if we do try it, we can’t do it alone. i think we’ll need to ally ourselves with other countries that feel the same way about the u.s. but one problem with constructing new relationships is that few countries will see anything attractive in a country that is run by a general, that has impotent politics, and that has few sustainable institutions. on the other hand, it’s my guess that these are precisely the things the current u.s. administration likes about pakistan.

  14. Its nothing but the backlash of Uncle Tom’s war, which we are fighting in our own country.

    My heart reaches out to all the affectees.

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